Takeoff & Estimating — Wood, Framing & Millwork

Joist

A horizontal framing member that carries a floor or ceiling.

Quick Answer

A joist is one of a series of parallel horizontal framing members that support a floor or ceiling and transfer the load to beams, girders or bearing walls. Joists can be dimensional wood, engineered wood or steel. Estimators count them by piece and length, then convert to LF, board feet or tonnage.

The Full Picture

Joists run in parallel, typically at a fixed spacing such as 12, 16 or 24 inches on center, and carry the deck or subfloor above and a ceiling below. They bear on beams, girders, walls or foundation ledges. Wood joists include solid sawn dimensional lumber and engineered wood joists, such as I-joists. Steel joists are generally open web, like a small truss, and are covered in the open web joist entry. Joist spans use the clear span, which AWC describes as the length from support to support.

For wood, the layout drives the count. The number of joists is the length of the run divided by the spacing, plus one for the end. Extras are added for doubled joists under parallel walls, around stair and floor openings, and at cantilevers, along with rim or band joists at the ends, blocking and bridging. The plan and the framing details show spacing, size and these extra pieces, and the structural notes give the species and grade. Lumber is priced by the piece, by linear foot or by MBF using nominal sizes, so a 2x10 counts as 2 x 10 / 12 = 1.667 BF per LF.

For steel joists the unit is each, listed by mark or designation on the structural plan or joist schedule, with the span and the depth. Suppliers often price joists by weight, and bridging and accessories are separate lines. Erection brings code requirements: OSHA states that for spans at or above the thresholds in its tables, a row of bolted diagonal erection bridging is installed near midspan, and the hoisting lines stay attached until that bridging is installed. Erection of joists is therefore tied to the steel erector's scope.

Pitfalls include missing the doubles and rim joists, mixing nominal and actual sizes, and omitting the bridging, blocking or hangers. Joists in floor systems also have depth that decides ceiling heights, so a change in joist depth during value engineering can ripple into the mechanical and finish scopes.

Real Examples

→Worked takeoff: wood floor joists: A floor frames 28 ft along the layout direction and 14 ft clear span, using 2x10s at 16 in on center. Joists: 28 x 12 / 16 = 21 spaces, plus 1 = 22 joists of 14 ft, which is 308 LF. Two rim joists run the 28 ft length, adding 56 LF. Total 364 LF. In nominal board feet, 364 x 20 / 12 = 606.7 BF, or about 0.607 MBF, before extras for doubles, blocking and waste.
→Steel joists from the schedule: A roof plan shows 18 joists with one mark and 6 with another. The estimator counts 24 joists each by mark, records the span and designation, and carries the bridging and bearing seats on separate lines from the joist supplier's quote.
→Engineered joists: A set of plans specifies engineered I-joists, so the estimator counts them by piece and length from the framing plan, and treats the rim board and web stiffeners as accessories on separate lines.

Common Misconceptions

People assume: A joist and a beam are the same thing.

Actually: Joists are the closely spaced members that carry the floor or ceiling surface. Beams and girders are the larger members that pick up the joists. A takeoff keeps them in separate lines.

People assume: A 2x10 joist is 2 inches by 10 inches.

Actually: Nominal sizes are larger than the dressed size, and a 2x10 is about 1-1/2 by 9-1/4 inches. Board-foot pricing uses the nominal size, and structural design uses the actual dimensions.

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Frequently Asked Questions

How do you calculate the number of joists?

Divide the length of the run by the spacing in the same units, then add one for the end. Add doubled joists, rim joists and pieces around openings as separate lines.

What is the difference between a joist and a rafter?

Joists are horizontal members that support floors and ceilings. Rafters are sloped members that support the roof deck. The American Wood Council measures joist spans between supports and rafter spans by horizontal projection.

How are steel joists taken off?

They are counted each by mark from the plan or joist schedule, with span and depth, and priced by the supplier, often by weight. Bridging, bearing seats and accessories are separate lines.

Are joists measured in linear feet or board feet?

Both are used. Wood joists are counted by piece and length, then converted to linear feet or to board feet and MBF using nominal sizes. The supplier's quote tells you which unit to carry.

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Sources

  1. American Wood Council: Understanding Loads and Using Span Tables
  2. OSHA 29 CFR 1926.757: Open web steel joists (Cornell LII)
  3. Steel Joist Institute
  4. APA - The Engineered Wood Association

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